21 comments on “Debate on Legalizing All Drugs – We Lost The War On Drugs”

1. almostskater3210 on November 19, 2011 at 6:44 pm said:

   @HowToGetFreebies
   Hard drugs cause crime because they are illegal. Addicts are desperate for money to feed an expensive illegal habit. If decriminalized, prices would go down and treatment options up, demonstrated by the drastic usage increase in methadone treatment after Portugal decriminalized. You are making a drastic error in logic by assuming correlation implies causation, for criminals are much more likely to use drugs, coupled with my previous statement that illegality causes criminality
2. almostskater3210 on November 19, 2011 at 7:24 pm said:

   @nowwithmorekick
   …. and down regulation of DAT, which causes anhedonia, depression and other severe psychological/ physical ailments. However, the things it is cut with are much worse, ranging from other powerful recreational stimulants like amphetamines, mephedrone and buphedrone to evil cuts like levamisole, which kills people by drastically lowering white blood cell count.
3. almostskater3210 on November 19, 2011 at 8:21 pm said:

   @nowwithmorekick
   Both of you are ignorant about drugs.Cocaine HCL is what you call cocaine. Cocaine freebase (aka no attached salt) is what you call crack.Cocaine is extracted from coca plants, and it is a pure chemical, unless it is improperly extracted or cut.Cocaine is a MAT blocker so increases the concentration of the neurotransmitters (from greatest to least) norepinephrine, dopamine, serotonin in the synapse. It is dangerous because of vascular constriction coupled with a high heart rate
4. almostskater3210 on November 19, 2011 at 9:15 pm said:

   @TheAsooma101
   look at the evidence
5. MrDoobious on November 19, 2011 at 10:03 pm said:

   Its not about its pros and cons, its not about crime and money. It boils down to a basic human right, which is the right to choose what enters your body. Its crazy how all the socialist media will show is the bad effects of drugs, what about the good effects? You know,like feelings of bliss, spiritual awakening, extreme creativity.
6. TheAsooma101 on November 19, 2011 at 10:31 pm said:

   Liberals are funny, when it comes to trans fat and other unhealthy ingredients, they scream “Regulate it! Ban it!” But when it comes to Cocaine and heroin, “legalize it, why not?” Insanity is becoming more accepted in our society…
7. icemanmwk on November 19, 2011 at 10:46 pm said:

   Street heroin is harmful because the garbage it is cut with destroys the body. At the time of its prohibition there were relatively few addicts, but the black market which ensued created a new demand (eg giving out ‘free samples’). If addicts were provided with uncontaminated heroin for cheaper than the street rubbish, and instructed how to use without overdosing, it would seriously affect the illegal trade. It wouldn’t immediately solve the problem but it would be step one.
8. Inferno350 on November 19, 2011 at 11:32 pm said:

   @canipplecorpse Your opposition to his argument stems from your belief that prohibition has made drugs less available which isn’t true.All research shows that usage rates aren’t correlated to legal status & prohibitionist efforts.Legalization doesn’t necessarily lead to increased availability.There are 7 different types of legalization.Cocaine wouldn’t be legal in the same way cannabis, alcohol, or other drugs are legal.Regulation is the key factor.Drugs should be legal because they’re dangerous
9. Inferno350 on November 19, 2011 at 11:38 pm said:

   @canipplecorpse Your opposition to his argument stems from your belief that prohibition has made drugs less available which isn’t true.All research shows that usage rates aren’t correlated to legal status & prohibitionist efforts.Legalization doesn’t necessarily lead to increased availability.There are 7 different types of legalization.Cocaine wouldn’t be legal in the same way cannabis, alcohol, or other drugs are legal.Regulation is the key factor.Drugs should be legal because they’re dangerous
10. canipplecorpse on November 20, 2011 at 12:06 am said:

    I disagree with parts of this arguement… If illegal drugs are easy to get ahold of, bad people can always use them to sedate someone and kidnap them in silence. Or simply increase your dosage on a drugs trip and before you know it? Death.

    But as the nice lady in the video explained: “Nobody has died from use of Cannabis.” So it’s quite clear which one should be legalised… Cocaine is… Fun… But too easy to overdose and become addicted to and ecstasy appears to fuck you up in the long run.
11. OdinLowe on November 20, 2011 at 12:13 am said:

    @nowwithmorekick I have done it, not in excessive quantities but enough to know the effects and appreciate them. Cocaine was cut more in the 70s than it is now on average. Nothing wrong with smoking marijuana, but it’s a separate issue. The problem with cocaine is the inflated prices caused by prohibition, which makes it unaffordable.
    Second, you may call me crazy… Not true but you’re certainly too ignorant of the facts to be worth talking to; goodbye.
12. nowwithmorekick on November 20, 2011 at 12:42 am said:

    @OdinLowe Your crazy. And the fact that you talk the way that you do about coke i am pretty sure you don’t even do it at all. There were big Coke problems in the 70s and because of it’s purity people were dropping off dead at an extremely high rate. Woman often whore them selves out to keep doing coke.Woman that wouldn’t have done that if they had just smoke Marijuana.
13. OdinLowe on November 20, 2011 at 1:07 am said:

    @nowwithmorekick Nasal rot is almost unheard of with pure cocaine… The main reason why it occurs in the US is because it was recently discovered that 80% of the US Cocaine supply was cut with a veterinary animale heart-deworming drug, which causes rotting of soft tissue for humans in areas of contacts. People commit suicide from withdrawal because of the necessity to stop. In a better world they would have legal access to their vice for cheap and would still be fairly productive in society.
14. OdinLowe on November 20, 2011 at 1:14 am said:

    @CriesCyanide There was a study done in the 50s where they received heroin, but I’m fairly sure all they can get is a safe place w safe needles to shoot up now, and only is some places in canada.
15. OdinLowe on November 20, 2011 at 1:29 am said:

    @nowwithmorekick Thanks but I’m quite familiar with the reasons people make crack; and while what you say is true of much cocaine the very finest is made with a minimum of chemicals; it’s known as ‘the pearl’ for its colour and consistency when a small amount is in your hand. while it’s true the serotonin receptors can be damaged it doesn’t do so any more than with caffeine and nicotine, which affect the brain in much the same way.
16. nowwithmorekick on November 20, 2011 at 1:52 am said:

    @OdinLowe The only difference between crack and coke is that crack takes you down faster. They have a lot of same effects. Crack was a cheap way to imitate coke for people who couldn’t afford it.Crack is made with more chemicals then coke where coke is partly made from a natural plant and then mixed with very harmful chemicals.The coka plant it’s self isn’t really harmful but coke is. It’s very harmful.It causes organ damage and effects the serotonin in the brain that can cause to depression.
17. nowwithmorekick on November 20, 2011 at 2:18 am said:

    @OdinLowe Is that why people have committed suicide from the with drawl of coke. It can cause terrible pain and depression. To avoid this you have to take it more and more often until it ether kills you or causes your nasal cavity to rot where you look like a ghoulish thing. I seen people go into detox and start foaming at the mouth slamming around in padded rooms in pain freaking out. People will have homicidal tendencies because of how it messes with there mind.
18. OdinLowe on November 20, 2011 at 2:48 am said:

    @nowwithmorekick Cocaine psychosis is a well recorded phenomenon… And since you have addicts in your family; I’m sure you know as well as I that drugs tend only to make unhappy people into addicts. I know people who have used crack cocaine and regular on and off every other weekend for over a decade… It’s the person and not the substance which causes these problems. It has been known since Freud’s day that a small/moderate amount of coke taken infrequently is not very addictive.
19. nowwithmorekick on November 20, 2011 at 2:59 am said:

    @OdinLowe Is that why people have had there noses fall off died and had organ problems.It’s extremely addictive. I had a mom that was on coke. I have a lot of different types of drug addicts in my family i did the research and experienced it.Coke is something that should be decriminalized and people who get caught using it should get medical attention. People have freaked out on coke thinking other people are trying to kill them and have hurt people around them. It’s paranoia isn’t like weed.
20. OdinLowe on November 20, 2011 at 3:12 am said:

    @nowwithmorekick
    crack cocaine has yet to be shown as useful, but there are many uses for cocaine… One of the founders of Johns-Hopkins was addicted to opiates and/or cocaine his whole working career, and one of the breakthroughs he made was discovering cocaine can be used as an effective local anesthetic. Education; get one… Or, if you prefer take my word for it but it is the truth. When it comes to medicinal uses for drugs our imagination is the only limit.
21. nowwithmorekick on November 20, 2011 at 3:27 am said:

    @OdinLowe That is going a little to far “There are medical uses for all illicit drugs” Crack or cocaine wouldn’t help with anything. Yea LSD and mushrooms can help with lots of forms of anxiety and depression but crack, meth, coke, and PSP are bad. People have and do freak out and hurt them selves and others around them and is way to addictive. Like with PSP people have eaten other people and mutilated them selves when on it.